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曹德旺:堂堂七尺男儿岂能因为贪图享乐就跑

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(福)(耀)(玻)(璃)(集)(团)(董)(事)(长)(曹)(德)(旺)(
  【环)(球)(时)(报)(记)(者)(张)(妮)(】曹)(德)(旺)(看)(上)(去)(憨)(萌)(,但)(实)(际)(上)(,这)(位)(全)(球)(最)(大)(汽)(车)(玻)(璃)(企)(业)(的)(董)(事)(长)(魄)(力)(十)(足)(,创)(造)(了)(很)(多)(第)(一)(次)(。他)(执)(掌)(的)(福)(耀)(集)(团)(前)(身)(是)(福)(建)(第)(一)(家)(乡)(镇)(承)(包)(企)(业)(;1984年)(成)(为)(中)(国)(首)(家)(汽)(车)(玻)(璃)(制)(造)(商)(;2004年)(,福)(耀)(成)(为)(中)(国)(加)(入)(世)(贸)(组)(织)(以)(来)(第)(一)(个)(反)(倾)(销)(诉)(讼)(成)(功)(案)(例)(。最)(近)(,他)(的)(一)(句)(话)(引)(发)(了)(一)(场)(中)(国)(税)(负)(大)(讨)(论)(,甚)(至)(被)(人)(怀)(疑)(要)(“跑)(路)(”美)(国)(。处)(在)(风)(口)(浪)(尖)(的)(曹)(德)(旺)(8日)(现)(身)(人)(民)(日)(报)(社)(,不)(管)(是)(在)(“海)(归)(中)(国)(梦)(年)(度)(盛)(典)(”上)(做)(主)(题)(演)(讲)(,还)(是)(在)(被)(媒)(体)(包)(围)(的)(采)(访)(间)(,他)(都)(镇)(定)(自)(若)(,憨)(厚)(的)(笑)(容)(和)(浓)(重)(的)(福)(建)(口)(音)(透)(着)(亲)(切)(质)(朴)(。不)(过)(,一)(开)(讲)(,他)(的)(气)(魄)(又)(出)(来)(了)(。“企)(业)(家)(是)(一)(个)(很)(高)(尚)(的)(称)(谓)(,追)(求)(的)(是)(一)(种)(境)(界)(,堂)(堂)(七)(尺)(男)(儿)(因)(为)(贪)(图)(享)(受)(就)(跑)(?”曹)(德)(旺)(对)(《环)(球)(时)(报)(》记)(者)(说)(。
  国)(家)(十)(分)(重)(视)(企)(业)(税)(负)(问)(题)(
  环)(球)(时)(报)(:您)(关)(于)(中)(国)(制)(造)(业)(综)(合)(税)(费)(比)(美)(国)(高)(35%的)(言)(论)(引)(发)(了)(一)(场)(大)(讨)(论)(。李)(克)(强)(总)(理)(近)(日)(回)(应)(称)(,中)(国)(企)(业)(的)(非)(税)(负)(担)(过)(重)(,制)(度)(性)(交)(易)(成)(本)(高)(。您)(怎)(么)(看)(这)(场)(讨)(论)(?
  曹)(德)(旺)(:我)(的)(言)(论)(受)(到)(中)(央)(领)(导)(的)(关)(注)(,作)(为)(小)(民)(百)(姓)(来)(讲)(,真)(是)(很)(受)(鼓)(舞)(。作)(为)(政)(协)(委)(员)(,我)(也)(在)(提)(案)(中)(反)(映)(过)(美)(国)(的)(税)(比)(中)(国)(低)(。去)(年)(3月)(,我)(在)(两)(会)(提)(案)(中)(将)(两)(个)(国)(家)(税)(负)(列)(表)(比)(照)(,目)(的)(是)(提)(升)(国)(家)(的)(竞)(争)(力)(。国)(家)(很)(重)(视)(,两)(会)(刚)(结)(束)(,有)(关)(部)(门)(就)(到)(美)(国)(调)(研)(。当)(然)(,因)(为)(涉)(及)(面)(广)(,影)(响)(面)(大)(,我)(相)(信)(各)(方)(要)(做)(全)(面)(评)(估)(,解)(决)(方)(案)(也)(不)(能)(仓)(促)(出)(台)(。
  中)(国)(是)(中)(国)(人)(的)(中)(国)(,我)(们)(每)(个)(人)(都)(要)(为)(中)(华)(民)(族)(的)(伟)(大)(复)(兴)(负)(责)(,这)(不)(只)(是)(政)(府)(的)(事)(。要)(想)(圆)(中)(华)(民)(族)(伟)(大)(复)(兴)(的)(梦)(,就)(要)(培)(养)(每)(一)(个)(人)(的)(自)(信)(。首)(先)(你)(要)(对)(政)(府)(有)(信)(心)(,要)(去)(相)(信)(人)(家)(在)(做)(工)(作)(。GDP这)(个)(指)(标)(在)(国)(外)(只)(有)(百)(分)(之)(一)(或)(二)(的)(增)(长)(,都)(没)(人)(提)(。我)(们)(这)(么)(大)(的)(国)(家)(,经)(济)(增)(长)(这)(么)(快)(,每)(天)(都)(有)(许)(多)(事)(要)(解)(决)(。
  环)(球)(时)(报)(:因)(为)(计)(划)(投)(资)(10亿)(美)(元)(在)(美)(国)(建)(厂)(,您)(被)(一)(些)(媒)(体)(说)(成)(要)(“跑)(路)(”,真)(实)(情)(况)(是)(怎)(样)(的)(?
  曹)(德)(旺)(:我)(什)(么)(时)(候)(跑)(了)(?跑)(到)(哪)(里)(去)(?去)(干)(什)(么)(?我)(爱)(我)(的)(祖)(国)(是)(因)(为)(幼)(时)(我)(妈)(跟)(我)(讲)(,子)(不)(嫌)(母)(丑)(,狗)(不)(嫌)(家)(贫)(,堂)(堂)(七)(尺)(男)(儿)(因)(为)(贪)(图)(享)(受)(就)(跑)(?10亿)(美)(金)(不)(是)(今)(天)(决)(定)(投)(资)(的)(。福)(耀)(上)(世)(纪)(90年)(代)(就)(开)(始)(走)(出)(去)(。我)(们)(是)(做)(制)(造)(业)(的)(,从)(培)(养)(企)(业)(全)(球)(品)(牌)(供)(应)(链)(角)(度)(必)(须)(在)(国)(外)(建)(厂)(,没)(有)(投)(资)(怎)(么)(实)(现)(这)(个)(能)(力)(?这)(几)(年)(我)(们)(每)(年)(对)(固)(定)(资)(产)(投)(资)(二)(三)(十)(亿)(到)(三)(四)(十)(亿)(不)(等)(。比)(如)(为)(实)(现)(2018年)(的)(增)(长)(,2017年)(就)(要)(将)(工)(厂)(建)(好)(,今)(年)(我)(们)(会)(在)(德)(国)(建)(厂)(。我)(们)(是)(全)(球)(汽)(车)(玻)(璃)(最)(大)(的)(制)(造)(商)(,是)(全)(球)(工)(业)(链)(,必)(须)(在)(世)(界)(建)(厂)(。
  我)(认)(为)(,企)(业)(家)(的)(生)(意)(没)(有)(国)(界)(,但)(企)(业)(家)(本)(身)(有)(国)(籍)(。最)(近)(有)(人)(问)(我)(关)(于)(企)(业)(家)(移)(民)(的)(问)(题)(,我)(跟)(他)(们)(讲)(,你)(们)(放)(心)(,真)(正)(能)(成)(才)(成)(家)(的)(人)(不)(会)(移)(民)(,因)(为)(他)(们)(不)(是)(为)(了)(钱)(或)(者)(过)(安)(逸)(日)(子)(就)(去)(移)(民)(。企)(业)(家)(是)(一)(个)(很)(高)(尚)(的)(称)(谓)(,他)(追)(求)(的)(是)(一)(种)(境)(界)(、一)(种)(精)(神)(、一)(个)(人)(的)(完)(整)(人)(格)(。以)(我)(亲)(身)(经)(历)(为)(例)(,1995年)(,我)(做)(公)(司)(非)(常)(累)(,好)(不)(容)(易)(把)(股)(票)(卖)(掉)(大)(部)(分)(,套)(现)(了)(几)(百)(万)(美)(金)(,当)(时)(我)(就)(想)(去)(美)(国)(养)(老)(,我)(们)(全)(家)(都)(办)(了)(绿)(卡)(移)(民)(美)(国)(。结)(果)(外)(方)(合)(作)(伙)(伴)(做)(了)(几)(年)(做)(不)(下)(去)(了)(,为)(了)(员)(工)(利)(益)(和)(股)(东)(权)(益)(我)(又)(回)(来)(做)(。2005年)(我)(做)(成)(功)(了)(,那)(时)(我)(意)(识)(到)(,我)(不)(能)(走)(了)(。因)(为)(我)(原)(来)(只)(是)(一)(个)(小)(老)(板)(,只)(要)(对)(国)(家)(无)(影)(响)(,什)(么)(地)(方)(都)(可)(以)(去)(。但)(后)(来)(把)(企)(业)(做)(大)(了)(,成)(为)(全)(球)(同)(行)(的)(前)(列)(,性)(质)(变)(了)(,这)(时)(候)(我)(意)(识)(到)(,将)(来)(福)(耀)(是)(中)(国)(汽)(车)(玻)(璃)(的)(代)(名)(词)(。这)(个)(企)(业)(是)(中)(国)(人)(的)(,如)(果)(移)(民)(到)(美)(国)(,资)(产)(就)(随)(着)(我)(到)(美)(国)(。所)(以)(,作)(为)(创)(始)(人)(,我)(必)(须)(回)(去)(。我)(的)(子)(女)(也)(全)(部)(取)(消)(绿)(卡)(搬)(回)(中)(国)(。小)(老)(板)(将)(来)(可)(能)(书)(写)(行)(业)(发)(展)(史)(,我)(必)(须)(为)(自)(己)(的)(历)(史)(负)(责)(。那)(时)(我)(考)(虑)(的)(不)(是)(个)(人)(安)(逸)(问)(题)(,而)(是)(怎)(么)(为)(国)(家)(负)(责)(。
  警)(惕)(中)(国)(工)(厂)(找)(不)(到)(工)(人)(
  环)(球)(时)(报)(:宗)(庆)(后)(认)(为)(,虚)(拟)(经)(济)(做)(过)(头)(了)(,把)(实)(体)(经)(济)(搞)(得)(乱)(七)(八)(糟)(。马)(云)(称)(,不)(是)(实)(体)(经)(济)(不)(行)(,而)(是)(你)(的)(实)(体)(经)(济)(由)(于)(缺)(乏)(开)(拓)(精)(神)(和)(创)(新)(精)(神)(不)(行)(了)(。在)(您)(看)(来)(,实)(体)(经)(济)(和)(虚)(拟)(经)(济)(是)(对)(立)(关)(系)(吗)(?
  曹)(德)(旺)(:马)(云)(跟)(宗)(庆)(后)(都)(是)(企)(业)(家)(,而)(且)(都)(是)(浙)(江)(人)(,这)(个)(问)(题)(留)(给)(他)(们)(去)(争)(论)(是)(最)(好)(的)(办)(法)(。您)(问)(我)(这)(个)(问)(题)(,我)(建)(议)(大)(家)(去)(查)(一)(查)(美)(国)(的)(历)(史)(,美)(国)(上)(世)(纪)(70年)(代)(实)(施)(了)(去)(工)(业)(化)(。去)(工)(业)(化)(,那)(么)(做)(什)(么)(?培)(养)(华)(尔)(街)(、硅)(谷)(、好)(莱)(坞)(啊)(!后)(来)(美)(国)(人)(觉)(得)(搞)(错)(了)(,因)(此)(在)(2008年)(金)(融)(危)(机)(后)(,奥)(巴)(马)(提)(出)(要)(恢)(复)(制)(造)(业)(大)(国)(的)(口)(号)(。今)(天)(的)(美)(国)(税)(很)(便)(宜)(,为)(什)(么)(?因)(为)(它)(劳)(工)(很)(贵)(。上)(世)(纪)(80年)(代)(开)(始)(,美)(国)(大)(学)(毕)(业)(的)(年)(轻)(人)(很)(少)(人)(去)(制)(造)(业)(,都)(跑)(去)(华)(尔)(街)(、硅)(谷)(还)(有)(好)(莱)(坞)(。现)(在)(,我)(去)(帮)(它)(恢)(复)(制)(造)(业)(,去)(招)(募)(干)(活)(的)(人)(,结)(果)(发)(现)(,今)(天)(的)(美)(国)(年)(轻)(人)(还)(是)(不)(想)(到)(工)(业)(企)(业)(做)(。我)(想)(,完)(蛋)(了)(,再)(过)(十)(几)(年)(,中)(国)(如)(果)(也)(像)(美)(国)(那)(样)(,中)(国)(企)(业)(在)(第)(二)(代)(、第)(三)(代)(接)(班)(时)(也)(找)(不)(到)(工)(人)(了)(,我)(真)(的)(感)(到)(那)(时)(天)(要)(塌)(下)(来)(了)(。
  环)(球)(时)(报)(:作)(为)(“中)(国)(首)(善)(”,您)(的)(慈)(善)(理)(念)(是)(什)(么)(?
  曹)(德)(旺)(:有)(人)(问)(,曹)(德)(旺)(到)(底)(捐)(了)(多)(少)(钱)(?我)(说)(超)(过)(80亿)(人)(民)(币)(现)(金)(。我)(还)(在)(家)(乡)(建)(了)(公)(园)(、公)(路)(、综)(合)(科)(技)(楼)(。企)(业)(成)(功)(后)(我)(赚)(了)(很)(多)(钱)(,这)(些)(钱)(要)(捐)(献)(给)(社)(会)(。河)(仁)(基)(金)(会)(的)(资)(金)(去)(向)(透)(明)(,每)(年)(收)(多)(少)(钱)(,付)(多)(少)(钱)(,跟)(证)(券)(公)(司)(一)(样)(是)(公)(开)(的)(。
  我)(们)(的)(国)(家)(经)(历)(了)(30多)(年)(改)(革)(开)(放)(,已)(发)(展)(成)(全)(球)(第)(二)(大)(经)(济)(体)(,但)(有)(一)(个)(新)(的)(矛)(盾)(浮)(出)(来)(,那)(就)(是)(贫)(富)(两)(级)(有)(进)(一)(步)(分)(化)(的)(迹)(象)(。借)(助)(投)(资)(美)(国)(的)(机)(会)(,我)(对)(该)(国)(调)(研)(发)(现)(,作)(为)(全)(球)(第)(一)(大)(经)(济)(强)(国)(,美)(国)(不)(仅)(注)(重)(发)(展)(经)(济)(,更)(关)(注)(社)(会)(和)(谐)(。经)(过)(近)(百)(年)(的)(努)(力)(,他)(们)(建)(立)(了)(一)(个)(成)(熟)(并)(行)(之)(有)(效)(的)(社)(会)(救)(济)(服)(务)(系)(统)(,这)(个)(不)(足)(3.5亿)(人)(口)(的)(国)(家)(拥)(有)(各)(类)(慈)(善)(机)(构)(200多)(万)(家)(,其)(中)(80%是)(企)(业)(或)(企)(业)(主)(家)(族)(出)(资)(成)(立)(的)(。这)(让)(我)(回)(想)(起)(父)(亲)(以)(前)(曾)(告)(诫)(的)(:有)(福)(者)(,必)(须)(先)(有)(量)(,福)(是)(从)(气)(量)(中)(求)(的)(。父)(亲)(还)(说)(,草)(没)(有)(心)(不)(会)(发)(芽)(,因)(此)(人)(必)(须)(要)(有)(良)(心)(。人)(的)(心)(有)(感)(恩)(之)(心)(、孝)(心)(、忠)(心)(、慈)(悲)(心)(等)(20多)(颗)(心)(,有)(多)(少)(心)(可)(以)(做)(多)(少)(事)(。做)(人)(首)(先)(要)(有)(感)(恩)(之)(心)(。福)(耀)(在)(全)(球)(9个)(国)(家)(都)(有)(企)(业)(,全)(世)(界)(知)(名)(品)(牌)(汽)(车)(厂)(都)(是)(我)(的)(客)(户)(。这)(是)(国)(家)(给)(我)(的)(,没)(有)(改)(革)(开)(放)(就)(没)(有)(我)(,我)(很)(感)(恩)(国)(家)(。
  从)(玻)(璃)(感)(悟)(出)(的)(人)(生)(之)(道)(
  环)(球)(时)(报)(:您)(14岁)(辍)(学)(,做)(过)(放)(牛)(娃)(、卖)(过)(白)(木)(耳)(,当)(过)(工)(地)(炊)(事)(员)(。如)(今)(成)(为)(跨)(国)(公)(司)(的)(董)(事)(长)(。您)(的)(成)(功)(和)(自)(信)(是)(如)(何)(一)(步)(步)(建)(立)(起)(来)(的)(?
  曹)(德)(旺)(:自)(信)(必)(须)(有)(良)(好)(的)(心)(愿)(、正)(确)(的)(追)(求)(、海)(纳)(百)(川)(的)(胸)(怀)(。自)(信)(还)(是)(不)(断)(完)(善)(的)(过)(程)(。1987年)(我)(们)(去)(芬)(兰)(一)(家)(公)(司)(接)(受)(技)(术)(培)(训)(。那)(时)(公)(费)(出)(国)(,国)(家)(每)(天)(补)(助)(90美)(元)(生)(活)(费)((含)(住)(宿)(费)()。如)(果)(每)(天)(省)(吃)(俭)(用)(,半)(个)(月)(下)(来)(,回)(国)(时)(就)(可)(以)(给)(家)(里)(带)(回)(一)(个)(小)(家)(电)(,比)(如)(照)(相)(机)(等)(。所)(以)(,当)(时)(很)(多)(出)(国)(考)(察)(的)(中)(国)(团)(队)(,出)(国)(前)(一)(定)(自)(带)(方)(便)(面)(,希)(望)(当)(地)(华)(人)(或)(接)(待)(方)(多)(请)(吃)(几)(顿)(,节)(省)(开)(支)(。但)(我)(了)(解)(过)(,如)(果)(不)(买)(东)(西)(,每)(天)(90美)(元)(足)(够)(我)(们)(在)(芬)(兰)(的)(开)(销)(。因)(此)(,我)(规)(定)(大)(家)(不)(许)(带)(方)(便)(面)(,也)(不)(要)(外)(国)(人)(请)(吃)(饭)(。不)(要)(为)(了)(什)(么)(劳)(什)(子)(电)(器)(在)(国)(外)(把)(自)(己)(搞)(得)(太)(狼)(狈)(。洋)(人)(不)(知)(道)(我)(们)(每)(个)(人)(的)(名)(字)(,但)(知)(道)(我)(们)(是)(中)(国)(人)(。一)(个)(人)(要)(有)(人)(格)(,一)(个)(国)(家)(同)(样)(要)(有)(国)(格)(。国)(家)(形)(象)(是)(靠)(每)(个)(中)(国)(人)(自)(觉)(努)(力)(去)(维)(护)(的)(。我)(们)(团)(在)(赫)(尔)(辛)(基)(的)(20多)(天)(,每)(天)(专)(心)(致)(志)(搞)(培)(训)(,尽)(可)(能)(多)(地)(学)(知)(识)(,从)(来)(不)(要)(求)(卖)(方)(安)(排)(宴)(请)(或)(旅)(游)(。临)(走)(前)(,那)(家)(公)(司)(的)(总)(裁)(主)(动)(要)(请)(我)(们)(喝)(鸡)(尾)(酒)(。我)(问)(为)(什)(么)(,他)(说)(,我)(在)(你)(们)(身)(上)(看)(到)(了)(为)(中)(国)(未)(来)(做)(玻)(璃)(的)(人)(。
  我)(把)(一)(家)(乡)(镇)(企)(业)(发)(展)(成)(跨)(国)(集)(团)(,自)(己)(从)(一)(文)(不)(名)(的)(贫)(苦)(青)(年)(成)(长)(为)(董)(事)(长)(,真)(可)(谓)(天)(道)(酬)(勤)(,这)(让)(我)(深)(刻)(体)(悟)(到)(“发)(展)(自)(我)(、兼)(济)(天)(下)(”的)(真)(实)(意)(义)(。我)(前)(年)(写)(了)(一)(本)(传)(记)(《心)(若)(菩)(提)(》,记)(载)(了)(自)(己)(的)(创)(业)(过)(程)(,里)(面)(的)(人)(都)(是)(真)(名)(实)(姓)(。我)(希)(望)(给)(年)(轻)(一)(代)(提)(供)(一)(些)(可)(借)(鉴)(的)(东)(西)(,以)(报)(答)(我)(们)(的)(国)(家)(。
  结)(语)(:结)(下)(半)(生)(缘)(的)(玻)(璃)(给)(了)(曹)(德)(旺)(不)(一)(样)(的)(人)(生)(感)(悟)(。在)(《心)(若)(菩)(提)(》中)(,他)(做)(了)(一)(个)(颇)(有)(深)(意)(的)(比)(喻)(。受)(到)(外)(力)(撞)(击)(后)(,普)(通)(玻)(璃)(破)(损)(处)(锋)(利)(如)(刀)(,而)(汽)(车)(安)(全)(玻)(璃)(化)(作)(豆)(粒)(大)(小)(的)(碎)(片)(,不)(伤)(人)(。使)(用)(真)(空)(镀)(膜)(技)(术)(的)(高)(档)(汽)(车)(玻)(璃)(,即)(使)(玻)(璃)(破)(碎)(,膜)(还)(附)(着)(其)(上)(。有)(先)(哲)(将)(世)(界)(称)(为)(“名)(利)(场)(”,古)(往)(今)(来)(,名)(利)(场)(下)(埋)(葬)(多)(少)(英)(雄)(好)(汉)(?名)(利)(之)(科)(学)(,取)(得)(有)(如)(真)(空)(镀)(膜)(技)(术)(。虽)(沐)(“名)(利)(场)(”中)(,却)(钝)(化)(气)(场)(辐)(射)(。似)(有)(若)(无)(,于)(在)(或)(不)(在)(之)(间)(,是)(谓)(道)(。
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